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Monday, December 15, 2014

15122014

This is an illustrative example of the concepts being discussed.Markings are just visualizations on historical data in hindsight analysis
Nifty gaped down and refused to go below the first bar. Nifty Spot touched 8200 the earlier flip and bounced.I thought it may reverse today. But it did not happen. Last down impulse held as a range. Took two BOF shorts of PDC/PDL LOL levels. Covered them when it bounced from RN. Skipped the last one as I was not confident as price has started making higher lows

22 comments:

  1. Hi ST,
    Please comment on my trades

    http://tradingdecisionpoints.blogspot.in/2014/12/12152014.html

    rgds
    Kishore

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    1. First trade was taken in a hurry, last one is the third trade from the same location
      More than 4 swings rarely happens
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2012/02/daily-trading-patterns.html

      ST

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    2. ST,

      I also took first trade like kishore. and trapped.. what was wrong with IRH bpb trade.. we had exhaustive good gap and bullish bar. market trying to reverse.What factor do we consider to take this type or trade.. ?

      Secondly i also took the last trade as Kishore took.. looking to third attempt to go up failed.. and trapped.Wasn't this a type of broad channel ,where third attmpt to go up fails resumes the bigger down trend? What should be the thought process there.

      Thanks and Regards
      Bharat

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    3. I do not find any BPB of IRH here. You can try a long PDL as target.
      Market rarely move more than 4 swings in a day.After that it can be a chop
      Can be considered as a broad upward channel. Then short should only be below 8250 swing low

      ST

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  2. why you did not take a BPB trade at approx 12.10 pm ?

    [IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/2ccwivn.png[/IMG]

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    1. Price should cross the earlier extreme and pull back
      Price never broke PDC, The earlier extreme .

      ST

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  3. Hi Rajesh,
    When do you consider tail of candle as DP and when do you consider body of candle as DP. I'm referring to PDL taken today. also, I did not consider PDL as a DP today as that level was tested - basis your guidance on Friday's trade. Was I right in my approach. My only trade was the one that you had taken.

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    1. I always avoid tails. May adjust the level a little bit on next test.
      Previous day test is not counted. PDL is a fresh level for the day.
      Levels get invalidated if broken from both sides or a range forms around it

      ST

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    2. Hi ST,
      Can I say today PDL/PDC did not get invalidated because price move was only to the downside of PDL/PDC? Thanks.

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    3. Still in force. They have not broken Convincingly even though there were overshoots

      ST

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    4. Thank you Rajesh for the explanation.

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    5. Thank you Rajesh for your help and explanation

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  4. In your first trade, Price went above PDL after your entry. What conditions would have made you think it as failure, ie going above 10:42 bar or 10:45 bar, and exit the trade

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    1. In a LOL BOF it may happen. The focus is always on the second level.
      This has happened even in the original example given
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2012/03/layer-over-layer.html
      ST

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    2. How about TT at the 2nd level? Today it would have also been a trend trade.
      Have noticed that LOL "generally" reverses from 2nd or 3rd level. On 0212 it was PDL-PDC-BRN LOL and price reversed from BRN.
      DM

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    3. You can try it. As you know there are no certainties only probabilities

      ST

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  5. Rajesh,
    My observations:
    IR - 8230 to 8255
    Traded in the range 8255 to 8275
    You wrote the following:
    1.Trade ranges and trade at the extreme
    2.Buy at low and sell at high when market is going up
    3.Sell at high and but at low when market is going down
    Are my observation correct and revise if wrong ?
    With Kind Regards,

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    1. What is the difference between 2 and 3?. You have not understood the concepts well
      These cannot be explained in a comment reply. Please go through the important posts
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2012/05/trading-ranges.html
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2012/05/buy-low-sell-high.html
      http://www.niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2012/06/trends.html
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2014/06/daily-dose.html
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2014/06/trend-traps.html
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2014/08/taming-trend.html
      http://niftynirvana.blogspot.in/2014/11/more-on-structure.html

      ST

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  6. Rajesh,

    I have complied all your posts not related to trading analysis into a word document
    and read about more than ten times.

    I wrote the following :
    That IR was 8230 to 8255 and the market traded in the ranges 8255 to 8275..8280.
    Are these observations correct ?

    I traded the above market based on the theory....
    1. Market moves in ranges.
    2.Always trade at the extremes of the range
    3.Buy at low and sell at high of the range or Sell at high and buy at low of the range.

    I bought around 8255 and sold 8275 when the market went up
    Sold around 8275 and bought around 8255 when the market went down
    bought around 8255 and sold around 8275 when the market went up
    sold again around 8275 and bought again around 8255.

    Instead of writing the above so many times.
    I wrote the following :
    1.Trade ranges and trade at the extreme
    2.Buy at low and sell at high when market is going up
    3.Sell at high and but at low when market is going down

    Now am I right ?
    With kind regards,

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    1. You are right on the approach
      Other factors like SCORE too plays an important role
      You do it when most of these factors favor a trade. Here the experience factor comes into play
      Your success will depend on your decision which one to take and which one to skip
      As you gain experience you will start making more and more right decisions and will achieve consistency
      Screen time and time spent on deliberate practice are important factors in this skill development

      ST


      ST

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    2. Hi Rajesh,
      What do you mean by SCORE. Please help in understanding

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    3. Go through the important posts given below the blog

      ST

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