Hi ST, You may have noticed the volume of the red candle which touched IRL/LOD/PDL. My terminal showed it be max volume bar. Does it indicate selling climax? There was a three layer support, DO/LOD/PDL and it exactly stopped at PDL. Please enlighten us.
URD Looked like a selling climax with massive volume. Cant say what really happened. Somebody might have tried to push price below 6800 for expiry They might have thought the stop triggering below LOD and PDL will help them. They under estimated the resting orders below this area ST
S ST...reduces 2 points per trade ... But still hasnt put money ....But follows it live and marks entries.. I know in live , things vary too much but still I passed a hurdle , which is to be profitable in paper trades which I was not able to do before...Long way to go ....
I had entered short at the break of PDH in the later part of the day, but the chop ate my SL and then eventually went to meet IRL which I was targetting
When price is in the marked area stop remains the same Once it falls again and test the swing low you can bring down it to the new swing high. Here 10.30 swing low is a trouble area. Hope you were paying attention
Sir, Thanks for ur advice..and abt 10.30 am swing low i entered on break of that swing low..but i did not included tail of that swing low..do i need to include that also..thank u..
Support/Resistance and price flips work in all the markets in all time frames. It is very difficult to trade such higher time frames on a single contract.You will end up taking all the mediocre trades.First you have to identify and select some liquid contracts as watch list. Then try to enter in the direction of trend on patterns like BOF and TST of prominent swing points.I have not tried it.
Sir, ur point is valid..and i backtest it before post..here is the list.. tech mahindra,axis bk,icici bk,adani ent,reliance infra,yes bank,aurobindo pharma,ajanta pharma,.. this stock work fine with trade structure and i backtest it from last year june..every week they give 1 or 2 signal ,in a month around 8 to 10 good entry with good risk ratio signal for mere 30-40 points,and i think thats good enough..and we need to work with 2 to 3 lots with good decipline.. Thank u and waiting for ur reply...
From morning bulls were trying to push price above RN 6850 for expiry. They failed to do so. You can short there with a SL above HOD and take a chance All other trades are just gambles today being expiry.No methods or TA will work
MSP 1 and 2 is correct After that whenever price makes a new swing low, the swing high from where the move originated will qualify as MSP MSP 3 is the last one
Hi ST, I am TA student from past 2 years and a PA trader from past 6 months, but I am still unable to trade profitably. The same 5min chart which makes sense in the evening gives me losses in the morning, i am kind of getting a feel that its not working out for me. May be I should move to swing trading, do you thing lance beggs methods would work for swing trading, also any suggesstions regarding day trading (I trade Ibrealestate)
Lance Beggs method may not work for swing trading. I dont know how you are trading but why ibrealestate.? While day trading go for some very liquid counters where professionals play. Amateur counters are not predictable where as professionals trade methodically.
I am half way through reading the important posts you mentioned..
How ever could u pls confirm if my understaning is correct, on possible trades fr yesterday.. i have not traded, but i am doing on paper.
Long once IRH crosses with SL below IRL (which also day low)... trial to cost if resisted at BRN 6850.. NF crossed 6850 NS as well.. SL moved below to BRN 6850 NF.. this trade gave 10 points.
Also i think we can take short trade below 6850 nf with SL as days high.. not sure if we consider this as BOF... this trade also went good as it breaches days low.
Let me know if i am tracking in right way.. i will be doing paper trade for some time.
Rose Mary Method work well when professional day traders are in control of the market. They are creatures of habit and and their actions are more or less predictable. During expiry and major announcements market is moved by a different group and we cannot expect the method to work well. Breakout trades are my least preferred trades. I have lost a lot trying to trade breakouts and trends. Exceptions are IR and range breakouts which I call Pressure Plays.IR BO is taken only when I feel it can develop to a trend from morning. It is not something people take as ORB BO trades. If you are entering long on the BO of IRH , the stop is never below IRL. I expect the price to stay above IRH and once it falls back to the range I am out. You have to use some discretion here, say a crack of the bottom of BO bar.Maximum risk is 4-5 points including commissions. The Idea is the rejection of price from a higher area.In other words price is not getting accepted above IRH.Core concept is the acceptance or rejection of price at levels which I call Decision Points.Once price moves in our favour trail it using flips, swing points and Decision points Price action trading is not pattern trading. If you start searching for the patterns to trade, I am afraid it is not going to work.DPs will work like magic most of the time and will give you an enduring edge
Hi ST,
ReplyDeleteYou may have noticed the volume of the red candle which touched IRL/LOD/PDL. My terminal showed it be max volume bar. Does it indicate selling climax? There was a three layer support, DO/LOD/PDL and it exactly stopped at PDL. Please enlighten us.
Thanks
URD
DeleteLooked like a selling climax with massive volume.
Cant say what really happened. Somebody might have tried to push price below 6800 for expiry
They might have thought the stop triggering below LOD and PDL will help them.
They under estimated the resting orders below this area
ST
Hi
ReplyDeleteAre you giving penultimate expiry day importance as same as the expiry day?
Tnx,
Sakthi
Sakthi
DeleteF&O April series expired today.
ST
-20 today :(
ReplyDeletewill upload chart later .
Overall 93 points this series
rgds
Kishore
I think it is after commissions.
DeleteGood show
S ST...reduces 2 points per trade ...
DeleteBut still hasnt put money ....But follows it live and marks entries..
I know in live , things vary too much but still I passed a hurdle , which is to be profitable in paper trades which I was not able to do before...Long way to go ....
thanks
Kishore
I had entered short at the break of PDH in the later part of the day, but the chop ate my SL and then eventually went to meet IRL which I was targetting
ReplyDeletePATrader
DeleteTrade carefully on expiry, especially the afternoon session.
You cannot expect the natural flow of the market. anything can happen
ST
Sir,
ReplyDeletePlz go through link and help me out..where my trail stoploss should be....
http://screencast.com/t/ygeqsuVJyQ
Thank u ..plz help me out..
When price is in the marked area stop remains the same
DeleteOnce it falls again and test the swing low you can bring down it to the new swing high.
Here 10.30 swing low is a trouble area. Hope you were paying attention
ST
Sir,
DeleteThanks for ur advice..and abt 10.30 am swing low i entered on break of that swing low..but i did not included tail of that swing low..do i need to include that also..thank u..
sendyalan
DeleteUsually I consider tails for direct BO entries.
Reason is SL orders are usually beyond these extremes
ST
Sir,
Deleteplz chk it out..its my request..thank u..
http://screencast.com/t/pAih2QnXg2j
Sentu
Sendyalan
DeleteSupport/Resistance and price flips work in all the markets in all time frames.
It is very difficult to trade such higher time frames on a single contract.You will end up taking all the mediocre trades.First you have to identify and select some liquid contracts as watch list. Then try to enter in the direction of trend on patterns like BOF and TST of prominent swing points.I have not tried it.
ST
Sir,
Deleteur point is valid..and i backtest it before post..here is the list..
tech mahindra,axis bk,icici bk,adani ent,reliance infra,yes bank,aurobindo pharma,ajanta pharma,..
this stock work fine with trade structure and i backtest it from last year june..every week they give 1 or 2 signal ,in a month around 8 to 10 good entry with good risk ratio signal for mere 30-40 points,and i think thats good enough..and we need to work with 2 to 3 lots with good decipline..
Thank u and waiting for ur reply...
sendu
DeleteTrading requires a viable method and sufficient training trading it
Do not commit serious money on it till you gain confidence
All the best
ST
Sir,
ReplyDeleteUr new post comment segment little different..if i mistakenly post my query several time forgive me..it's not intentional..
Thank u..
sentu
I have changed the comment layout.
DeleteYou need to be logged in to comment
ST
Hi ST,
ReplyDeleteMy trades
http://tinypic.com/r/63vnk9/8
Please take some time to analyse what i am doing wrong .
thanks
Kishore
From morning bulls were trying to push price above RN 6850 for expiry.
DeleteThey failed to do so. You can short there with a SL above HOD and take a chance
All other trades are just gambles today being expiry.No methods or TA will work
ST
thanks ST
DeleteHi ST,
ReplyDeleteAnd could you mark the MSPs in todays chart ...
thanks a lot
Kishore
ST,
ReplyDeletePlease merge this post with the previous one ..
Which are the correct MSPS(1,2,3) as per the chart
http://tinypic.com/r/256zs04/8
rgds
Kishore
Kishore
DeleteMSP 1 and 2 is correct
After that whenever price makes a new swing low, the swing high from where the move originated will qualify as MSP
MSP 3 is the last one
ST
So all the marked MSP 's are correct ...right..
DeleteAnd there was a trap trade at MSP 2 , which I took
rgds
Kishore
@ kishore...
ReplyDeletecan I get link for Your day to day trades? blog or any page like that?
Shree,,,
DeleteI haven't started a blog for my own trades ..
I share my trades with ST all days here...
thanks n rgds
Kishore
Hi ST,
ReplyDeleteI am TA student from past 2 years and a PA trader from past 6 months, but I am still unable to trade profitably.
The same 5min chart which makes sense in the evening gives me losses in the morning, i am kind of getting a feel that its not working out for me. May be I should move to swing trading, do you thing lance beggs methods would work for swing trading, also any suggesstions regarding day trading (I trade Ibrealestate)
Shub11
DeleteLance Beggs method may not work for swing trading.
I dont know how you are trading but why ibrealestate.?
While day trading go for some very liquid counters where professionals play.
Amateur counters are not predictable where as professionals trade methodically.
ST
ST Sir,
ReplyDeleteI am half way through reading the important posts you mentioned..
How ever could u pls confirm if my understaning is correct, on possible trades fr yesterday.. i have not traded, but i am doing on paper.
Long once IRH crosses with SL below IRL (which also day low)... trial to cost if resisted at BRN 6850.. NF crossed 6850 NS as well.. SL moved below to BRN 6850 NF.. this trade gave 10 points.
Also i think we can take short trade below 6850 nf with SL as days high.. not sure if we consider this as BOF... this trade also went good as it breaches days low.
Let me know if i am tracking in right way.. i will be doing paper trade for some time.
Rose Mary
ReplyDeleteMethod work well when professional day traders are in control of the market. They are creatures of habit and and their actions are more or less predictable. During expiry and major announcements market is moved by a different group and we cannot expect the method to work well.
Breakout trades are my least preferred trades. I have lost a lot trying to trade breakouts and trends. Exceptions are IR and range breakouts which I call Pressure Plays.IR BO is taken only when I feel it can develop to a trend from morning. It is not something people take as ORB BO trades.
If you are entering long on the BO of IRH , the stop is never below IRL. I expect the price to stay above IRH and once it falls back to the range I am out. You have to use some discretion here, say a crack of the bottom of BO bar.Maximum risk is 4-5 points including commissions. The Idea is the rejection of price from a higher area.In other words price is not getting accepted above IRH.Core concept is the acceptance or rejection of price at levels which I call Decision Points.Once price moves in our favour trail it using flips, swing points and Decision points
Price action trading is not pattern trading. If you start searching for the patterns to trade, I am afraid it is not going to work.DPs will work like magic most of the time and will give you an enduring edge
ST
Sir what are DP's on Daily chart?
ReplyDeleteDhatta Adiga
DeleteI have no idea about daily charts.
This is basically a day trading method
ST